The climate change clock is ticking 01 August 08

It is pathetic to see the volume of fear-mongering advance as the case for global warming wanes in the public eye, as the lie of consensus is exposed and as the evidence mounts against the case for AGW. I can think of no aspect of the theory of AGW which has not now been falsified by the evidence: The ability of GCMs to forecast, tropospheric warming (not there), net feedbacks (not positive), climate sensitivity to 2xC02 , unprecedented (non-geologic) warming, ocean heat content. The list goes on an on. Give it up and find some other way to fulfill you Bolshevic – greenie dreams.

2muchgovt Ehhh!

Another ranty denialist nut-job trolls by.

Douglas Coker Enfield Green Party

Before you wet your pants about the next hundred months, you might want to look at the data on the last 100: http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/MSUvsRSS-m.html

2muchgovt

You display a serious lack of experience in this debate. Attempting to get us to engage with tired old denialist debates which are history won’t work.

My last on this. I’ve got better things to do with my time.

Douglas Coker Enfield Green Party

James Lovelock was right. “Enjoy life while you can. Because if you’re lucky it’s going to be 20 years before it hits the fan.”

There’s something very weird about that onehundredmonths.org website, and I don’t mean the weirdness of picking a number at random and claiming, entirely sans evidence, that we’re all doomed. No, the REALLY weird thing about that website is that if you leave it to sit for a minute or so it suddenly starts eating processing power. Apart from this being a real nuisance (everything else slows to a crawl), it’s a big eco-naughty. I reckon it wastes about 75 Watts at my end. Quelle wanqueurs! (By the way, the link to the technical note PDF doesn’t work.)

As Madonna said at liveearth “Clap your hands if you want to save the planet” or somesuch nonsense. Go Mark go save us all Christ on a bike I’m gonna throw up my breakfast.

junkscience.com appears to be funded by oil companies:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/sep/19/ethicalliving.g2

Interested to know of any unbiased reviews against this topic.

@ Vinny Burgo I noticed that about the onehundredmonths site too – my computer slowed right down, but I couldn’t figure out why. I’ll email the NEF people and get them to check it out. I’ve fixed the PDF link too – someone moved it. Sorry about that.

@ 2muchgovt None of us have time to deal with your inverse reality world. Please go elsewhere.

After you’re done clapping, you can actually do something by going to this website: http://www.greengroove.org

Conduct a phased withdrawal on catastrophic climate change.

Read more by going to http://www.greengroove.org/idea.html

We’re in this thing together ; )

anon August 6th, 2008 at 04:40 PM

Six Degrees put to paper what I have been researching the past two years. I came to the same depressing conclusions intuitively. There is one variable out there that is a solution, albeit a hard one. It would cause almost the instantaneous reduction of fossil fuel consumption across the globe. It would allow peak co2 loads to fall and the warming of climate be less than 3c. In addition to my research on climate change, I follow the CIDRAP website for statistics on communicable, tropical and mesquito born diseases. The medias attention about Avian Flu has died down but scientists are still diligently tracking the outbreaks and ferociously working toward a vaccine to prevent a pandemic that would leave approximately 1/3 of the world’s population alive, and the infrastucture of all nations in such desertion, that commerce by means of fossil fuels will quickly abate. It would force the remaining society to return to local farming practices, but as humans, we are very adaptable. It would prevent billions of people from starving to death, stop the destruction of ecosystems and give most species a chance to survive. Disease is a natural component of the checks and balances set to kept any population of species from overgrowth. It is a much gentler way of dying than starvation, thirst, homelessness and anarchy. Such a simple solution, yet we are horrified at the idea of a pandemic that could save the world for future generations. Haven’t we been selfish enough? When will we love the earth and its inhabitants enough to save it for future generations? And what are we saving these billions of people for? To die agonizing deaths by starvation, thirst, and war? I pray every night for a gentle, peaceful death, and that the world be saved. I doubt it will be if left up to us, but sometimes God can do for us that we can’t do for ourselves. By the way, they are doing clinical trials on the attenuated virus vaccine now, and it is showing promise. Humans are so smart now we will condemn ourselves and the earth to a horrible annihilation. Leave

That’s a new one – allowing vast numbers of human beings to die in a flu pandemic by deliberately not developing a vaccine to mitigate it? What a sad individual “Anon” must be – no wonder they are “Anon”! I would like to know why Mark Lynas has failed to mention anywhere in his chapter on the mass extinction in the Permian, the high probability that an asteroid or comet strike was the cause. Just as it was at the end of the Cretaceous, (Alvarez et al). Balanced reporting? Of course not.

2muchgovt, seems you’re worried about too much government if we address AGW. Problem is the world might devolve into both chaotic anarchy AND extreme totalitarian regimes IF AGW is not mitigated (just think how ready Americans were willing and eager to give up their freedoms after 9/11, and only from fear of threats). When the real AGW effects start overwhelming societies, that’s when we’ll see Much2muchgovt Much2late.

So think of a bit of govt regs and policies to mitigate AGW as a sort of innoculation against AGW effects, including 2muchgovt.

Or, conversely we could just get rid of all tax-breaks and subsidies to the fossil fuel industries and at least partly internalize some of their externalities (includ some costs of their harms), so as to give alt energy a level playing field. When petrol goes up to $10+ a gallon as a result, and coal likewise goes up, then solar and wind will begin to look darned good.

Then we’ll be able to have LessGovt AND solve AGW.

Dear Mark Just want to say that I love your books. Like mentioned earlier – finally a reality check on global warming (does AGW mean that? -I’m Swedish) as opposed to Lovelocks almost religious delirious ravings about Gaya( – the name I took as mine many, many years ago). What I can’t figure out, is exactly what scenario that will unfold first. There are so many threats these days – new bacteria, new viruses, exposure to contaminated air, water and soil. Food grown in soil fertilized by sludge (?) from purification plants with heavy metals. And then the storms, the floods and the temp. extremes both up and down. Here, rocks are being covered in moss and lichen because of the heavy and frequent rains. Etc etc. Unfortunately I don’t see reason and logic stepping up to the challenge of undoing our mistakes. Of course – the isolated cases of laudable solutions, but generally we are just dabbling at ecothinking by returning cans and plastic and paper and metals to the recycling plant thinking that that will certainly fix everything. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but You! have done a great job of trying to influence the powers into changing their ways!! Thanks! Gaya

I have to agree with ‘anon’, there are too many people on this planet. When other species have a population explosion (like mice in Australia relatively recently) nature deals with them within a generation and things are back to normal. Humans are too clever by half and it will take only something that we can create to knock us into line. That something is human induced global warming. So sad we have to take so many species with us.

Increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is undoubtedly increasing climate warmth. However I suspect that an even greater affect on warmth is the baring of soil by increase in annual crop acreage, roads, buildings, grazing, and desertification. You may see an article that discusses this in more detail in http://charles_w.tripod.com/climate.html

People debating the situation is not solving it, maybe you would like to see part of a solution initiative. Sept 13th in Stroud, Glos. Homes with energy saving / generating measures will be open to the public to see for themselves. Its really about localising the production of everything we NEED, not desire. Much junk is made that uses resources of energy (and makes CO2) that essential things like food, clothing etc could use instead. Economic growth is like a cuckoo in our world which will turf us out as we continue to feed it. And please remember, the planet will not die, it lived before we appeared on it and will happily do so long after we render it unable to keep us alive any longer.

I’m wondering whether you subscirbe to James Lovelock’s assertion that we’re on a slope, not approaching a tipping point. Essentially, do you still see dangerous climate change as something we can influence the likelihood of and/or avoid?

“…’outsourced’ emissions produced in countries like China on goods which are imported into the UK are included in our total carbon footprint, this country’s total greenhouse gas emissions are 49% higher than currently reported…” Thanks for the info; I had not thought of it (the GHG accountability) being done this way as well as, I agree; why hasn’t this been factored in? I have been shopping “greener” for as long as I have been aware of the ability to influence the market by doing so. packaging, ingredients and transporation/shipping were all factors. May I cross-post this article on my blog? I will not do so until you say it is okay. Cheers.

Doug is about as cranky-old-man as John McCain and Tom Brokaw.

I must say that I am not competent in this question but as an inhabitant of this planet I worry a lot about its state. I watch TV every day and you are not the first who demonstrate the consequences. As you say, nobody knows how quickly it can be performed.

You have presented all these numbers and it seems to me that there is no exit from this situation, especially in the conditions of the crisis when people are so occupied with other problems.

You know that I heard a lot about this scientist, I mean Meinshausen, and I think he is still being reserved with the numbers and the statistics. By the way it seems to me that he understands the real situation.

Increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is undoubtedly increasing climate warmth. However I suspect that an even greater affect on warmth is the baring of soil by increase in annual crop acreage, roads, buildings, grazing, and desertification.

I don’t mean the weirdness of picking a number at random and claiming, entirely sans evidence, that we’re all doomed. No, the REALLY weird thing about that website is that if you leave it to sit for a minute or so it suddenly starts eating processing power.

Unfortunately I don’t see reason and logic stepping up to the challenge of undoing our mistakes. Of course – the isolated cases of laudable solutions, but generally we are just dabbling at ecothinking by returning cans and plastic and paper and metals to the recycling plant thinking that that will certainly fix everything. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but You! have done a great job of trying to influence the powers into changing their ways!! Thanks!

Yes, James Lovelock was right. “Enjoy life while you can. Because if you’re lucky it’s going to be 20 years before it hits the fan.”

Correct the clock is ticking, I still think we can slow that clock down though. I don’t see a point in sitting on our hands talking about the problem. We can still take action and now.

I would say that he wrote a great book. I will pray for him so he will have success. All the best. Kirsten

thank you

for this articale

it is nice

the climate change has been affected to our health. i don’t know how to avoid it.

We have to do something before it’s too late. Reduce CO2 production, reduce oil consumption, etc. Act now or our planet would blow.

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